"Pogroms" in Poland? Really? Please tell me more?

We often hear about the so-called Polish pogroms, but what were they really?  And who actually committed them?  Does pogrom always have to be a "Jewish" term?  Can Jews commit pogroms? 

Let's take an objective look at these "pogroms" in Poland and what really happened.  

Often I hear Jews tell me how their family was persecuted by the Polish and had to leave. I ponder this and ask more because I am genuinely interested. It is almost always the same case that they say it was at the turn of the century because of pogroms. This information boggles my mind because they lack historical knowledge, not even knowing that Poland as a nation did not exist. 

Later there would be widespread mass hysteria, but that's all it was. Much of this was propaganda pushed from this newly formed country. This was a place where the Polish people could finally govern themselves. With that came pushback, though, from some citizens, the ones that were even more cooperative with Poland's enemies, the Soviets, during the war just a few years earlier. 

Some of these Jewish citizens were demanding their territory with autonomy? Imagine this? On November 12th, 1918, on Józef Piłsudski's return, the Marshal, a Jew, I. Grunbaum (later a deputy to the Sejm of the Second Polish Republic), who, on behalf of the Jews, demanded from Poland half of its area to create Jewish autonomy.

For a more objective take on this period and the fanatic response that drove Wilson's investigator out, we can look at Morgenthau and his view. 

"All In A Life-Time", by Henry Morgenthau Sr., 1922, 2007

The term pogrom, apart from its vagueness, is Orwellian on its face. It is a term that makes a riot against Jews a special event because the victims are Jews. No such particular terminology exists for any non-Jewish victims of civil disturbances. 

Did you know that there were pogroms against ethnic Poles by non-Polish citizens in Brzostowica, Grodno, Skidel, Zborow, Luboml, Kolomyja, Rozyszcza, Izbica, Stiepan, Byten, and other places, but these crimes are forgotten. 

Non-Polish citizens led these, mainly Jews – more about these horrific atrocities later. Some people told me that the accounts I gave were fraudulent. It is remarkable that some people simply cannot believe that they are capable of criminal behavior? 

Other people say these were not "real" Jews. Real Jews would not do this.

Some people do come to terms with this.  

Sever Plocker takes accountability when he writes, "My own view is different. I find it unacceptable that a person will be considered a member of the Jewish people when he does great things, but not considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things."

Imagine if a Pole said about collaborators, "oh no, impossible, a real Pole could never collaborate; you must be mistaken."

This is wrong for anyone to say this.

Let's take a look at these widespread mass murders of Jews in Poland.. 

Morgenthau's conclusion on what he prefers to call excesses is as follows: "Just as the Jews would resent being condemned as a race for the action of a few of their undesirable coreligionists, so it would be correspondingly unfair to condemn the Polish nation as a whole for the violence committed by uncontrolled troops or local mobs."  

The numbers claimed killed were in the thousands, yet the total was 280. We are unsure if this was retribution for collaboration, if not, this indeed was a crime, but not on the scale that was presented to the world. 

Morgenthau's opinion of Polish attitudes towards Jews: "In considering the causes for the anti-Semitic feeling which has brought about the manifestations described above, it must be remembered that ever since the partitions of 1795 the Poles have striven to be reunited as a nation and to regain their freedom. This continual effort to keep alive their national aspirations has caused them to look with hatred upon anything which might interfere with their aims. This has led to a conflict with the nationalist declarations of the Jewish organizations which desire to establish cultural autonomy financially supported by the State…"

So, this feeling of "antisemitism" is actually a feeling of a people committing treason.  There is a reason behind this.  Poles have been fighting for 123 years for their freedom while the Jews have been a thorn in their side by wanting their own State? Imagine that. The Poles fought and died for the new nation, and the Jews wanted their own partition, although they did nothing or supported the enemy? 

Obviously, there would be a feeling of animosity.  

Morgenthau wrote that  "We found that, among the Jews their original motives intensified the trouble by believing that its solution lay only in official recognition of the Jew as a separate nationality…they aimed at nothing short of an autonomous government and a place in the family of nations. Mfeanwhile, they wanted to join the Polish nation in a federation having a joint parliament where both Yiddish and Polish should be spoke - their advocacy of a state-within-the-state was naturally resented by all."

 "Moreover, Polish national feeling is irritated by what is regarded as the 'alien' character of the great mass of the Jewish population. This is constantly brought home to the Poles by the fact that the majority of the Jews affect a distinctive dress, observe the Sabbath on Saturday, conduct business on Sunday, have separate dietary laws, wear long beards, and speak a language of their own. The basis of this language is a German dialect, and the fact that Germany was, and still is, looked upon by the Poles as an enemy country renders this vernacular especially unpopular. The concentration of the Jews in separate districts or quarters in Polish cities also emphasizes the line of demarcation separating them from other citizens."

Another factor was the Jewish domination of commerce and Jewish profiteering: "The cessation of commerce is particularly felt by the Jewish population, which are almost entirely dependent upon it. Owing to the condition described [the wars], prices have doubled and tripled, and the population has become irritated against the Jewish traders, whom it blames for the abnormal increase thus occasioned.". Pilsudski remarked: "Our trouble isn't religious; It is economical. Our petty dealers are Jews. Many have been war-profiteers…" 

Morgenthau has been accused, by many Jews, of whitewashing the Poles, perhaps because he tried to be reasonable, something that is almost entirely foreign when it comes to these matters. He faulted both sides: "There was no question whatever but that the Jews had suffered. Yet there was also no question but that some of the Jewish leaders had exaggerated these evils. There, too, were malevolent, self-seeking mischief-makers both in the Jewish and Polish press and among politicians of all stripes. Jews and non-Jews alike started out with the presumption that there could be no reconciliation." 

You have to take all of this objectively and collectively to understand what was going on and see that this was propaganda against the Polish, and it is still 

Blanket accusations of antisemitism are always at the forefront of defaming them, yet no one ever takes a moment to question why there might be an issue and why some of the Jews may be disliked.  As I pointed out, there are several reasons for contention, and you cannot always blame the Polish; if you don't, I would have to say you are ignorant or blind. 

Yet if this seems terrible, as I wrote, Jews would have their revenge during the Soviet invasion when they came out in mass to greet the invaders. Raising red flags and kissing the tanks, taking up what arms they had, pointing out Polish leaders, and assisting in executions and deportations, which would amount to 1.7 million people. 1/4th would perish. This Siberian exile is another unknown Polish tragedy.  

An editorial comment from Llow reads: “I have not found a single entry attesting to a friendly disposition of the Jews to the Polish population. On the contrary, the testimonies indicate that from the first moment of the Soviet occupation, the Jewish people greeted the occupant with enthusiasm, and occupied the ranks of the militia in great numbers as well as every possible administrative post. The testimonies speak of great suffering on the part of the Polish people because of the cooperation of the Jews with the Soviets”. 

This is one of the numerous testimonies I have found about Jewish collaboration with the Soviets during the invasion lasting until the German invasion. 

Even Jan Karski speaks of this, yet no one knows of this cooperation or the German collaboration. 

Clearly something is wrong when only some people can be evl and others not. 

For more information of the Jewish collaboration during the Soviet invasion: https://polishtruth.com/article/view/88/eastern-poland-collaboration-in-the-borderlands.html

 

 

Often I hear Jews tell me how their family was persecuted by the Polish and had to leave. I ponder this and ask more because I am genuinely interested. It is almost always the same case that they say it was at the turn of the century because of pogroms. This information boggles my mind because they lack historical knowledge, not even knowing that Poland as a nation did not exist. 

Later there would be widespread mass hysteria, but that's all it was. Much of this was propaganda pushed from this newly formed country. This was a place where the Polish people could finally govern themselves. With that came pushback, though, from some citizens, the ones that were even more cooperative with Poland's enemies, the Soviets, during the war just a few years earlier. 

Some of these Jewish citizens were demanding their territory with autonomy? Imagine this? On November 12th, 1918, on Józef Piłsudski's return, the Marshal, a Jew, I. Grunbaum (later a deputy to the Sejm of the Second Polish Republic), who, on behalf of the Jews, demanded from Poland half of its area to create Jewish autonomy.

For a more objective take on this period and the fanatic response that drove Wilson's investigator out, we can look at Morgenthau and his view. 

"All In A Life-Time", by Henry Morgenthau Sr., 1922, 2007

The term pogrom, apart from its vagueness, is Orwellian on its face. It is a term that makes a riot against Jews a special event because the victims are Jews. No such particular terminology exists for any non-Jewish victims of civil disturbances. 

Did you know that there were pogroms against ethnic Poles by non-Polish citizens in Brzostowica, Grodno, Skidel, Zborow, Luboml, Kolomyja, Rozyszcza, Izbica, Stiepan, Byten, and other places, but these crimes are forgotten. 

Non-Polish citizens led these, mainly Jews – more about these horrific atrocities later. Some people told me that the accounts I gave were fraudulent. It is remarkable that some people simply cannot believe that they are capable of criminal behavior? 

Other people say these were not "real" Jews. Real Jews would not do this.

Some people do come to terms with this.  

Sever Plocker takes accountability when he writes, "My own view is different. I find it unacceptable that a person will be considered a member of the Jewish people when he does great things, but not considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things."

Imagine if a Pole said about collaborators, "oh no, impossible, a real Pole could never collaborate; you must be mistaken."

This is wrong for anyone to say this.

Let's take a look at these widespread mass murders of Jews in Poland.. 

Morgenthau's conclusion on what he prefers to call excesses is as follows: "Just as the Jews would resent being condemned as a race for the action of a few of their undesirable coreligionists, so it would be correspondingly unfair to condemn the Polish nation as a whole for the violence committed by uncontrolled troops or local mobs."  

The numbers claimed killed were in the thousands, yet the total was 280. We are unsure if this was retribution for collaboration, if not, this indeed was a crime, but not on the scale that was presented to the world. 

Morgenthau's opinion of Polish attitudes towards Jews: "In considering the causes for the anti-Semitic feeling which has brought about the manifestations described above, it must be remembered that ever since the partitions of 1795 the Poles have striven to be reunited as a nation and to regain their freedom. This continual effort to keep alive their national aspirations has caused them to look with hatred upon anything which might interfere with their aims. This has led to a conflict with the nationalist declarations of the Jewish organizations which desire to establish cultural autonomy financially supported by the State…"

So, this feeling of "antisemitism" is actually a feeling of a people committing treason.  There is a reason behind this.  Poles have been fighting for 123 years for their freedom while the Jews have been a thorn in their side by wanting their own State? Imagine that. The Poles fought and died for the new nation, and the Jews wanted their own partition, although they did nothing or supported the enemy? 

Obviously, there would be a feeling of animosity.  

Morgenthau wrote that  "We found that, among the Jews, their original motives intensified the trouble by believing that its solution lay only in official recognition of the Jew as a separate nationality…they aimed at nothing short of an autonomous government and a place in the family of nations. Meanwhile, they wanted to join the Polish nation in a federation having a joint parliament where both Yiddish and Polish should be spoke - their advocacy of a state-within-the-state was naturally resented by all."

 "Moreover, Polish national feeling is irritated by what is regarded as the 'alien' character of the great mass of the Jewish population. This is constantly brought home to the Poles by the fact that the majority of the Jews affect a distinctive dress, observe the Sabbath on Saturday, conduct business on Sunday, have separate dietary laws, wear long beards, and speak a language of their own. The basis of this language is a German dialect, and the fact that Germany was, and still is, looked upon by the Poles as an enemy country renders this vernacular especially unpopular. The concentration of the Jews in separate districts or quarters in Polish cities also emphasizes the line of demarcation separating them from other citizens."

Another factor was the Jewish domination of commerce and Jewish profiteering: "The cessation of commerce is particularly felt by the Jewish population, which are almost entirely dependent upon it. Owing to the condition described [the wars], prices have doubled and tripled, and the population has become irritated against the Jewish traders, whom it blames for the abnormal increase thus occasioned.". Pilsudski remarked: "Our trouble isn't religious; It is economical. Our petty dealers are Jews. Many have been war-profiteers…" 

Morgenthau has been accused, by many Jews, of whitewashing the Poles, perhaps because he tried to be reasonable, something that is almost entirely foreign when it comes to these matters. He faulted both sides: "There was no question whatever but that the Jews had suffered. Yet there was also no question but that some of the Jewish leaders had exaggerated these evils. There, too, were malevolent, self-seeking mischief-makers both in the Jewish and Polish press and among politicians of all stripes. Jews and non-Jews alike started out with the presumption that there could be no reconciliation." 

You have to take all of this objectively and collectively to understand what was going on and see that this was propaganda against the Polish, and it is still 

Blanket accusations of antisemitism are always at the forefront of defaming them, yet no one ever takes a moment to question why there might be an issue and why some of the Jews may be disliked.  As I pointed out, there are several reasons for contention, and you cannot always blame the Polish; if you don't, I would have to say you are ignorant or blind. 

Yet if this seems terrible, as I wrote, Jews would have their revenge during the Soviet invasion when they came out in mass to greet the invaders. Raising red flags and kissing the tanks, taking up what arms they had, pointing out Polish leaders, and assisting in executions and deportations, which would amount to 1.7 million people. 1/4th would perish. This Siberian exile is another unknown Polish tragedy.  

An editorial comment from Llow reads: “I have not found a single entry attesting to a friendly disposition of the Jews to the Polish population. On the contrary, the testimonies indicate that from the first moment of the Soviet occupation, the Jewish people greeted the occupant with enthusiasm, and occupied the ranks of the militia in great numbers as well as every possible administrative post. The testimonies speak of great suffering on the part of the Polish people because of the cooperation of the Jews with the Soviets”. 

This is one of the numerous testimonies I have found about Jewish collaboration with the Soviets during the invasion lasting until the German invasion. 

Even Jan Karski speaks of this, yet no one knows of this cooperation or the German collaboration. 

Clearly something is wrong when only some people can be evl and others not. 

For more information of the Jewish collaboration during the Soviet invasion: https://polishtruth.com/article/view/88/eastern-poland-collaboration-in-the-borderlands.html

I also write about Jedwabne, which I won't even discuss as a "pogrom" until we get to the bottom of it. 

https://polishtruth.com/article/view/147/jedwabne-its-not-what-you-think.html

If anyone wants to bring up Kielce, this is a Soviet-induced event that was created to make Poles look like antisemites and the numbers in no way will ever compare to the Poles murdered by Jews in pogroms. 

Remind those that push this event about in Brzostowica, Grodno, Skidel, Zborow, Luboml, Kolomyja, Rozyszcza, Izbica, Stiepan, and Byten.

All people matter, but according to some, some people matter more than others. 

 

 

 

 

 

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